Update on Jeremy’s Great Writing Challenge: Constructive (and snarky) Criticism and Tips

www.inkthinkerblog.com — Well, Jeremy David responded to my snarky demand for more information with an eloquent and appropriately snarky-in-return, detailed comment, excerpted below with my comments. And before we get into my giving Jeremy a hard time again, I just want to say that the kid is growing on me. I think I may heart him. And he knows it, so I’m not just being a jerk — I’m being a good-natured jerk with educational and entertainment value.

And obviously, since I’m writing this post, I’m “in,” as I mentioned in the comments both here and at Jeremy’s blog, but I reserve the right to be “out” if and when I feel like it, depending on how this goes. We’ll see… But I want to like Jeremy so much, and I really want him to mean all of this in the best ways, so I’m all for giving it a shot. So, on with it!

 

I doubt that I am the only person in the world who wants to be able to write eloquent and compelling literature. Heck, that’s why they offer English courses, right? Unfortunately, my formal education didn’t revolve around those classes. I was too busy doing my silly commerce stuff. So now I am here, close to graduation, regretting my inability to write.

Fair enough. The education system in the US is woefully inadequate in may ways, particularly in teaching any semblance of basic written communication skills across the curriculum. English majors aren’t the only ones who need to know how to write well, people! I feel you.

 

I love blogging, I think it is a powerful medium of communication. I frequently change what I blog about, and now my targets are focused on helping people write better. Believe me or not, I sincerely want to help people who are in my position learn to write better. Yes, there are
probably many resources – you highlighted many of them yourself – that can teach someone to write. But they are not cut and dry. There is no definitive step by step guide that teaches someone to write better. That’s what I want to do, and help people succeed.

I love blogging, too, but I’m trying to stick with one thing per blog (though I do reserve the right to get tangential every now and then because hey, it’s my blog, I can do that). I’m having flashbacks to Legally Blonde right now. There’s that line that’s something like, “I think she just woke up one morning and said, ‘I think I’ll go to Harvard Law,'” uttered by a bewildered character who’s just met the oh-so-perky, Elle. She ended up being pretty serious about it and pretty darn talented by the end, so I hope the similarities will continue. (Although if you think doing “the Bend and Snap” will wrap me around your little finger, you’re sadly mistaken.)

Now here’s the thing: There is absolutely no mention of you helping other people in your initial post about the challenge. Here’s what you said:

 

I am going to see if any of these writing-bloggers are up to the challenge. Can you help me write better?

 

This is an interesting opportunity because these individuals have the chance to put their abilities to the test. They can show the world if they really posses possess the ability to make someone write better. What do they get if they win? Bragging rights. Five years from now they can say “I helped Jeremy David become the writer he is today.” If successful, that statement could have a lot of weight to it… maybe I’ll dedicate a book or two to them, ha ha ha. Seriously though, if anyone is up to the challenge please let me know!
(Boldfacing is mine, btw.) And the tag line on your blog, right below your name, is “I will become a better writer.” So I’m not getting the help-people-succeed angle from that at all. Maybe your goal has evolved since then, I have no idea, but here’s my first honest-to-goodness tip for you: Say what you mean the first time, and don’t waffle. If you can’t get behind your own writing, no one else is going to. And if you realize that you came off like a jackass the first time around (and I’m not saying that you did), the best thing you can do is say, “I came off like a jackass the first time around. This is what I was really trying to say: [insert brilliance here].”

Incidentally, the reason you’re having a hard time finding a step-by-step guide to writing better is multifaceted.

  1. Different genres of writing require different skill sets. I do a lot of oncology editing. I can tell those authors how to write clinical study articles better, but that same information probably isn’t going to help you unless you’re also writing clinical study articles. The principles (clarity, focusing on the audience, writing tight) are all the same, but the execution varies widely.
  2. What I like about writing and what you like about writing are probably not the same. I can give you general principles to writing better, but the only step-by-step guide you’re really going to find is “How to Write Like [Person Who Wrote This Book].” Seriously, it’s an individual art. The principles and tips on implementing them can guide you in the right direction, but you’re the one who has to take them and develop your own style.
  3. What you see as a step-by-step guide and what I see as a step-by-step guide are probably very different. I have about a dozen “step-by-step guides” to being a better writer, but each of them does something different, and my guess is that even if you’ve found them, you don’t consider them to be what you’re looking for (even though 50,000 other people may). And the reason I have so many is that they’re all step-by-step guides for slightly different techniques and styles. You can’t be all things to all people, dude. It’s never as good as when you specialize. Never. (This is going to come back to bite me, considering that I’m a freelance generalist, but I’ll deal with that sad reality another time.) I hope there never is a single cut-and-dried guide to writing that supersedes all the others. That will be a sad day in my eyes.

 

Why not do my own work? Why do people write research papers? Why have books? Why record anything for that matter. If everyone had to start from scratch anytime they did anything, what would be the point of doing it first. That didn’t really make any sense, but I’m trying to say that I was hoping to start my writing quest by learning from what accomplished people, like yourself, have done before. Then, when all is done, I would refine everything into a simple and effective resource to help people in
my position.

Uh, what? ;] I think I see what you’re trying to say. There are scores, hundreds, thousands of resources to help you. We may be using the term “research paper” differently, but from my experience with research papers (which, to be honest, is more extensive than I would like), you write them to gather together the relevant research others have done and use it to support your own idea. But you need to have your own idea first, or then you’re just writing a literature review.

The point is, other people already did it first, yes. You can (and should) use what’s come before as a spring board. But you have to figure out what you’re springing TO first. You need a thesis statement — a specific one — or you’ll just be writing in circles. Right now, my dear, this project lacks
a thesis statement. Or, now that I think about it, maybe it actually has too many thesis statements. Pick one.

 

What will you get out of this? Credit for being a participant, and the satisfaction of helping people write better. I agree, my little challenge thing was a bit sassy and INFOMERCIALesque. But it worked. Here we are, talking about writing. [[snip]] There are more benefits than bragging rights. I didn’t want to dangle the glowing carrot of altruism in front of your face, but it’s there. Trust me.

I should have been more clear about the whole “What’s in it for me?” question. I already have the satisfaction of helping people write better (and generally getting paid for it) and I’m already here (and lots of other places, too) talking about writing. What am I going to get out of it that I don’t already have? What makes you different? Sell it, baby, sell it. Sass goes a long way, but if you can’t back it up with substance, then you have no way to cover your sass. (I’m funny in my head, I swear.) And credit for participating in something that no one’s ever heard of that may or may not go anywhere…well…I have a lot of that, too. ;]

What would you actually get out of this? Recognition for your work. When people check out the blog they’ll see all of your contributions and think “Wow! This person is really smart. Maybe I’ll pay for some consulting!” No, I’m not talking about myself. I’m talking about you. Also the readers of your blog would get the benefit of anything you provide because I’d hope you would provide the information to them too. Basically, the reward is helping many people learn to write, and getting some free advertising along the way.

Again, you gotta give me something I don’t already have. I get what you’re saying, and if I were an unknown in the writing world, this would be a great way to get some recognition. But the fact that you tapped me to participate means that I’m not an unknown. You found me. You found me in the context of my being a writer, and you were sufficiently impressed with the gems of wisdom I’ve provided here to contact me. So… Yes, like I said, something I don’t already have.

This doesn’t mean that these aren’t all good things, but seriously, think of this as a business venture. What’s your business plan? What are your revenues and expenses? And what are your partners’? It needs to be profitable in meaningful ways for everyone involved, or no one will want to get involved — and people like my good friend Lori will be completely justified in suggesting that you’re a slacker only in it for yourself (not a direct quote — she’s far more tactful than I). Make the benefits obvious, or be frank and say that there are none if that’s the case. Some people will help anyway. But either way, no one wants to feel like you’re trying to pull something over on them.

 

I’m the only winner? Nope. Everyone’s a winner. You, me, and the people who participate. Even the people in four years who stumble upon these posts. I believe in free information. I’m not about to close up shop and start charging people for what you teach me. No one would listen to me. Why would they hire me when they can hire you? This is about helping everyone. The process I go through to learn how to write will be available for everyone. I’m just the example. A tangible experience people can follow. I could figure it out myself. I’m sure that’s what you did, and thousands of people all over the world. But times are changing. Information is fast and accessible. Communication is easy.

Everyone’s a winner, huh? Well, okay, but let’s be more specific and less lovey-dovey. How does one “win” this “challenge”? What does “participation” entail? What, if anything, is the “prize”? Take my Query Challenge for example. Participants are required to send queries soliciting writing assignments from editors, and to report their numbers to me each month. Anyone who completes 120 queries by the end of the year will get some kind of certificate or something, and the person with the most queries will get a tangible, not-yet-disclosed prize of some substantial value. Throughout the year, random prize drawings will reward active participants for sticking with it. Yes, everyone’s a winner, but there’s a specific end point with a specific positive consequence and specific criteria for participating. What are yours? Please be, you guessed it, specific.

It’s apparent to me that this is still evolving, but for the next time ’round, perhaps best to try to hammer out the details before you get started. ;] Every post on your blog seems to be taking it in a slightly different direction.

Becoming a better writer is going to take years. It’s going to involve reading many books. It’s going to involve writing a lot. And I think that’s cool. I do not have hundreds and hundreds of dollars to pay people to teach me to write, so I came up with an idea: a blog that is going to help many people learn to write, and diffuses the task of teaching across many different people.

Years, true. Reading, yes. Writing, of course. Cool, absolutely. A poor college student, completely believable. But the whole “I’m doing it for the world” thing really does seem like an afterthought. And that’s okay! But just call a spade a spade, which will take the wind out of your opponents’ sails anyway.

And you know, the more I think about it, the more this is YOUR challenge. You’re challenging yourself and asking other people to help. This whole you-challenging-professional-writers thing, in my opinion, just isn’t going to go anyway. (Go ahead, prove me wrong, I don’t mind.) I mean, seriously, like I said before, what do you have to give me that I don’t already have? What I would really want (not that you shouldn’t ALSO shower me with gifts and praise) is to see you succeed because you asked for my help and you were generally grateful throughout, not to get into some “challenge” wherein I bust my butt for free to be The One Who Teaches You to Write. I’m just not into that. It seems false to me. But what I think you’re actually talking about when you’re explaining this stuff has an honesty to it, and that’s what draws me to you anyway.

So, there’s my two cents on Jeremy’s response to my questions so far. What do YOU think?

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  • Apr 16, 2007 Link

    It smacks of a request for a free ride to me. I just don’t have a good feeling about this one. No matter how he describes it – and he’s described his request in numerous ways now – it feels one-sided, self-centered and frankly a lot like the “write for exposure!” jobs we avoid. I wish I could feel differently, but there’s just something about this one that has my instincts on high alert.

  • Apr 16, 2007 Link

    I think Mr. David is missing something: no one can teach you how to be a great writer. It’s either in you or it isn’t. To become even an accomplished writer (which seems to be his goal now), you need to practice. How? By writing. A lot. And then critically looking at your writing. Then, writing more.

    It’s not easy. It’s a lot of work. But in the end all of that effort is worth it.

    According to his Web site, Jeremy David will soon be heading off on a year-long trip to see the world. That’s a great opportunity to do more than just some writing. If he’s smart, he’ll embrace that opportunity. If he does then when his journey is over, he might just be well on the road to becoming an accomplished writer.

  • Apr 17, 2007 Link

    I like your comparison to Legally Blond: it’s a great metaphor. I have always wanted to write well, and I did wake up one day and arbitrarily decide that “yes, today I am actually going to do this.” I probably should have put a bit more thought into how everything might seem before I initiated it, but I did not, and I do recognize that I did come off sounding like an asshole. I think deep down I did have an altruistic goal of helping people along the way, but it wasn’t obvious. I said “… here I am, creating a blog about writing. Actually, to be more specific, this blog will be writing. Eventually I hope to be proficient enough to help other people learn to write, but for the time being this will be an exercise in improving myself.” I think the idea I had of eventually helping people was overshadowed by my constant reference to myself. I’m not going to lie. I did seem rather narcissistic and egocentric. But where can I go from here?

    I could not agree with you more regarding the three points you highlighted in your post. How can I learn to write if I do not even know what I want to write? Yesterday I spent a considerable amount of time hunting down books on writing and investigating what is in the public sphere. Developing my writing style is going to have to be something I lead myself, and I think I just answered my first question. People cannot be taught style – they have to teach themselves. There is room for guidance along the way, but ultimately it is the writer that has to learn (and teach himself or herself) the writing.

    In terms of developing a mutually beneficial arrangement, at this point in my life I probably do not have anything to offer anyone in return for their services other than my sincere appreciation. I am not well known, and if someone had decided to help me solely because they wanted some sort of recognition and fame it would be terrible to disappoint them if everything did not work out. I thought my post was clearly a little tongue in cheek, but I probably should have tried to make it a bit more obvious. Maybe after I travel the world, have a successful “Choose My Adventure” experience, and people are compelled to come to my blog and actively participate in my travels there would be more of a compelling reason for someone to get involved if their motivation was publicity. But is this writing blog going to attract hundreds of thousands of people? Probably not. Putting on my business cap (top hat?), I would have to say from “the helper’s” end this would be a risky investment. Realistically, what are the chances some random guy on the Internet is going to be able to develop to a point where the “the helper’s” time and energy is sufficiently rewarded? I am confident in my potential, but I agree that it is a very hard “sell”.

    Colleen Sullivan’s Denial to Acceptance:

    1. Denial

    I did this with pure altruistic intentions… how dare someone make such harsh accusations.

    2.Anger/Resentment

    Why is everyone being mean to me? Heeelllllloooo? Haven’t you heard of “Community”?!?!?!?

    3. Bargaining

    I promise that I am going to become a prolific writer, and your participation will make you look amazing! It will help you, me, and everyone else. Just give me a chance.

    4. Depression

    Wow. Everyone must think I’m so selfish. They must hate me. I could sit in the library all day and prove them wrong. But why even bother?

    5. Acceptance.

    Did I honestly expect someone to say “Howdy stranger! Here’s 50 hours of my time!” I hope not. I should have put more thought into this before I jumped in. But all is said and done. I have to move on from here.

    Consider this a polite retraction of my original request.

    Ironically, launching the Great Writing Challenge was a very educational process in itself. The stark yet honest comments I received clearly established that this is an adventure I am going to have to embark on my own. Blankly soliciting assistance from random people without engaging them first (or putting much thought into it beforehand) was silly. I completely agree that it would be unreasonable to expect someone to hold my hand through the entire process, and upon further reflection, I do not think it would be nearly as effective. You’ve already taught me a lot. Be clear, be honest, and stick with it. Being wishy washy accomplishes nothing, and makes me look like a fool.

    Am I going to give up on my goal to become a more talented writer? Absolutely not. I am even more committed to this project than I was when I whimsically challenged the blogosphere to “spoon feed me the answers.” I am smiling right now because I had a tiny epiphany, and I think my challenge worked. I know I am going to become a better writer. I have a considerable amount of work ahead of me, and I am happy to do it. And I sincerely thank everyone – even those who called me selfish and delusional – for their comments. I think it was necessary to come to this realization through this process. I am on the right track now, and excited about it.

    Dear Kristen,

    I really want to become a talented writer. You see, I’m gradating from University soon and have not had the opportunity to challenge myself in regards to my writing abilities. To accomplish my goal I have a lot of work ahead of me and a lot of catching up to do, but I am committed to doing it. This journey is one I am going to have to lead myself, but I would really appreciate it you took some time out of your incredibly busy schedule and pointed me in the direction of some fantastic resources. I am confident I have the ability to improve, I just need some assistance creating a plan. An added benefit to this initiative is that I plan on doing it with a public medium that other people can use to improve their writing as well. It would be great if the process I follow eventually becomes an educational tool for people everywhere. I wish I could offer you all sorts of rewards – promises that you’ll become super famous, or mentioning you in a future acceptance speech at the Academy Awards – but I cannot. I can, however, assure you that your efforts will be greatly appreciated by me and possibly help other people along the way.

    If you have time I would welcome your involvement in this process, but please do not feel any pressure. Honestly. I’ll still heart you regardless of your decision, and I will never boycott your blog. I have over 100 books to read and that in itself will greatly improve my writing, and consume several years of my life.

    I hope to talk to you soon,
    Jeremy

  • Apr 18, 2007 Link

    I’m finding this thread fascinating. I’ve learned a great deal from your blog, but Jeremy David, and your responses, have given me something entirely new to think about.

    His desire is something I’ve seen many times, but his approach is new and intriguing.